Question:
A question about time signatures?
Edward J
2009-08-09 23:28:25 UTC
In some exercises in my piano book I am asked to determine the time signature of a piece that has no time signature. What I wonder is what rule is there that I would use if I see a piece for example that you could possible think is 3/4 or 6/8 because it may contain both 8th notes and quarter notes. (I hope I made myself clear enough).
Eight answers:
Xymbalreborn
2009-08-10 02:02:44 UTC
Here's a quick check:



In 3/4 if:

- there are quarter notes and quarter rests.

- eighth notes are grouped (or beamed) in pairs (2)

- sixteenth notes are grouped in 4's



In 6/8 if:

- there are a lot of DOTTED quarter notes and rests

- eighth notes are grouped (or beamed) in threes

- sixteenth notes are grouped in 6



The difference is the emphasis of the beat. In 3/4 (a simple meter) you can count 1 2 3 (quarter notes are your beats) with an OBVIOUS and STRONG pulse on beat 1 or 1 2 and 3 (the downbeats). In 6/8 (we call this "compound" meter), you count your EIGHTH NOTES as 1 2 3 4 5 6 win an OBVIOUS and STRONG pulse in beats 1 and 4.



Songs in 3/4:

- "My Favorite Things" from The Sound of Music

- "Can I Have This Dance" from High School Musical 3

- "Open Arms" by Journey

- The Star Spangled Banner



Songs in 6/8:

- "Hickory Dickory Dock", nursery rhyme

- "Row, Row, Row your Boat", nursery rhyme

- "Toxicity" by System of a Down

- "Unchained Melody" by the Righteous Brothers



Just some songs you can reference to (for examples). I'm sure you can find them on youtube to listen to.
Saul
2009-08-10 21:54:14 UTC
Well, without seeing the sheet music, I think this is how I would start...



First, by looking at the notes themselves, and seeing how they're grouped. Could we assign chords to them? If so, where do the chords switch? If there is a consistent pattern, that may help identify the time signature.



Second, I know that in general notes will fall on the downbeat of a count. So counting from the first note, if I see quarter note, 8th, 8th, quarter, quarter, 8th, 8th, etc, then I would note that counting by eighths I have beat pause beat beat beat pause beat pause beat beat. Right away I see that there is a beat every other note, a pattern that continues onwards. Might it be in 4/4 then, or 6/8? Some even time signature, certainly. What if that breaks up and I have a quarter note's second eighth (if that makes sense) where an eigth note should be? Could be an odd time signature then.



In a similar vein, how about counting the timing of the bass notes? Bass notes are more likely to occur on downbeats, ie, to provide a sense of rhythm and emphasis. When they are present, that would definitely be an indicator to me of time signature.



To explain this a different way, look at the series of notes as a group of 5 eighth notes. Does it make sense? Is there a note every 5 eighths? Could be 5/8. Is there a note every 6, or 7, or 8 eighths? etc.



I've included a few links to different odd time signature resources, maybe that might help you.







Saul
Nick D
2009-08-10 06:54:06 UTC
If it has a triplet feel than it's in 6/8 It has more of a 1,2,3-4,5,6 Emphasis on the 4 more than the down beat (1). 3/4 is more of a waltz feel.
Rose
2009-08-10 10:13:06 UTC
Check the barring of the notes and the feel of the rhythm, see what makes the most sense. It's hard to help without seeing the music.



Sometimes it's not very easy to tell, so don't worry if it's trickier. Just make your best guess.
(deleted)
2009-08-10 06:39:44 UTC
It's 4/4 if there is no time signature (usually)
Jeggz B
2009-08-10 07:42:20 UTC
Sing the piece out loud and listen to where the emphasis is placed.
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2009-08-10 09:10:20 UTC
the top number determines how many beats there are, while the bottom number states which type of note (8th, quater) gets the beat. :]
Thomas
2009-08-10 06:30:48 UTC
Huh?


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