Question:
I've been here before... Barbizon and now John Robert Powers.?
kiki rome
2012-01-20 12:32:06 UTC
Ok so 2 years ago I went to a Barbizon Modeling audition and was ask to pay 500 dollars for classes. Well I'm not dumb and I do my research and I know a thing or two about modeling and on thing is that they do not ask for money up front. So now I have an audition with John Robert Powers {JRP} and have not heard of them since the radio announcement on Monday. I'm the type of person that researches everything and I found blogs saying they are a scam and others that say they are legit. So now I'm confused at first I thought they were legit because they have a BBB grade of A- which to me is not great but its has me thinking Barbizon did not have a BBB at all? I guess I want to know if JRP is really a sam or not and if anybody has anything good to say about them, because I do not want to waste my time and have people ask for money.

P.S. I was in kids runway show when little so I know the process
Thanks in advance ya-ta
Five answers:
baxterville
2012-01-20 16:10:14 UTC
JRP is basically a Barbizon clone -- a fake agency that makes all its money by charging for classes, head shots and other promotional materials that are completely useless. I'm so glad you're doing research, since it pisses me off when companies make fortunes promising shortcuts that don't exist.



Chances are you won't be able to find an agency (a legitimate one) to represent you until you have some professional modeling experience. Agencies sometimes train models, but not as often as you'd expect. For the most part, they look for people who've gone out and gotten experience without having an agent. At least 90% of the people who have "model looks" aren't cut out for the work. They either aren't uncommonly photogenic, don't take direction well, or can't overcome their self-consciousness when striking poses that range from unnatural to stupid. And most of the people who call agencies without having modeling experience aren't really interested in the work of modeling. They want to be famous or call attention to themselves, so agents can't afford to waste time with them. That's why it's so easy for fake agencies like Barbizon and JRP to make fortunes -- by preying on young people looking for shortcuts that don't exist.



Basically, an agent's job is to provide fashion clients with experienced, professional models who know what's expected of them when they show up to work. Having a portfolio showing that you've worked professionally will earn you access to legitimate agents, but very few agents will meet with amateurs. It's very rare for an agent to "discover" a model on the street and turn her into a cover girl. It might happen once or twice per generation, but it's incredibly uncommon. Most models start their careers and learn their craft at the local level before signing with agencies.



If you need experience, contact a local or regional store and inquire about modeling for print ads. National and international chain stores hire models through agencies, but smaller stores hire local talent. It saves the companies money and also enables aspiring models to build portfolios that can lead to bigger things. If you're chosen and appear in newspaper and magazine ads, you'll not only build a portfolio, but also meet photographers who work with many corporate clients. If the photographers like your work, they'll recommend you for other jobs, enabling you to expand your portfolio. And many photographers do business with model agents and it's common for agents to give weight to recommendations from photographers.



Modeling is like any other career in that you have to start at the bottom and work your way up, proving yourself at every step. But you're absolutely right that starting your career shouldn't cost you a thing. Legitimate agents work on commission and only get paid when their models do. Paying an agent in advance would be like paying $500 to McDonalds so you can work at the drive-thru window.



Legitimate agents don't need to advertise for models or recruit them at hotels or malls. There's no shortage of experienced, professional models looking for work at any given time, so why would an agent have to advertise? You're a wise girl to be cautious. If you can find a local place to start your career, you'll have access to the legitimate agencies before too long.
Cogito
2012-01-20 14:22:17 UTC
From everything I've heard, they're a scam. LIke Barbizon and John Casablancas.

They have a really bad reputation, so adding any training from them to your resume/portfolio wouldn't do you any good at all.

I hear they don't exactly ask for money as a fee upfront, but they try to persuade you to pay for classes, photos, headshots, etc, all of which are expensive and ultimately useless.



And I'm afraid that having been in a kids runway show many years ago means absolutely nothing - thousands of kids do that. And things change on such a regular basis that even if you know something this week, it could all have changed by next week.



If you have the potential to be a model, an agency will be impressed by your portfolio and take you on without you paying anything. If they ask for money, they don't believe in you, but will happily take your money anyway and make no effort whatsoever to get you any paid work.
Tina
2012-01-21 07:26:40 UTC
I don't know about a John Powers, I went to Barbizon. I think people get confused and think they are paying for an agency.

The barbizon I went to made it clear they were a school and that we were paying for classes. The classes were great. They had an A+ rating with the BBB and were state accredited. So why people think you should not pay for schooling is so totally beyond me.

The barbizon I went to has an agency and I do local work for them when I can.

You should know any activity or training any more costs money. My parents pay for my tennis lessons and dance classes, paying for Barbizon was no different!

My dad says in life you get what you pay for!

I liked Barbizon.
anonymous
2012-01-21 02:13:18 UTC
Both of them are schools that charge up to $3000 for classes. There really is no difference between them



The reason people call them a scam is because they mistakenly believe both are agencies that will book them on jobs, not schools. Both of them are private schools that offer modeling and acting classes, that's what they do. But you can find plenty of acting classes at local theatre companies or community centers for a lot less than $3000. And you never need to pay for modeling classes as every agency will train you themselves for free if they sign you
juliet
2012-01-20 12:57:32 UTC
I've seen John Robert Powers advertised in different magazines and such. I've never had any personal experiences with them, but my advice is to keep doing research. Also, you should go to your audition and see if/how much money they ask for. Keep in mind, even agencies/training programs aren't guarantees you'll get a job. It's also about looks, personality, and luck. But good luck and always trust your gut instinct!


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